xastir just died again blank screen and had to kill manually pids looked like root 18945 0.0 0.5 37084 23456 ? s? may5 0:03 !@^##!@@^*&%#$$#@$!@*&**#%@$#Q!~#~!@#~@#~!#!~@#@%$@#^% killed that one with -9 and window went away. turning on logging. may capture something.... confused, Vic