[Xastir] Xastir Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5

[Michael Moore]

So if I do a CVS update do I pick up this new script for Xastir 2.01 and
Ubuntu 10.10?

Michael M. Moore
N5RWH
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> 1. Re: Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10 (Rick Green)
> 2. Re: Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10 (Jason Godfrey)
> 3. Re: Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10
> (Peter Gamache/KC0TFB)
> 4. Re: Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10 (David A Aitcheson)
> 5. Re: Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10 (David A Aitcheson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 02:19:16 -0500 (EST)
> From: Rick Green <rtg at aapsc.com>
> To: david.aitcheson at gmail.com, Xastir - APRS client software
> discussion <xastir at lists.xastir.org>
> Subject: Re: [Xastir] Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10
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> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, David A Aitcheson wrote:
>
>> I am a college senior on a five year plan; starting the final year this
>> month. At 52 I don't have another 4 years to rebuild everything.
>>
> ...and this is an Ubuntu 10.10 system, right? While this system may
> represent the current state of four years of college work, it was built in

> the past two-and-a-half months, right? And you have the sources and
> backups to build a clone of it in less time than that, right?
>
> --
> Rick Green, N8BJX
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:25:27 -0600
> From: Jason Godfrey <godfreja at gmail.com>
> To: david.aitcheson at gmail.com
> Cc: XASTIR-APRS client software discussion <xastir at lists.xastir.org>
> Subject: Re: [Xastir] Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10
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> The following is speculation based on my experience with other package
> managers. I have only used Ubuntu a little bit. I also don't know about
any
> customizations to your system. Take the following suggestion at your own
> risk.
>
> My guess is that interrupting the update process is what caused the
problem.
> Your software is probably in a weird partially updated state. Running the
> script again or "sudo aptitude update" might restore your system to a
> working state.
>
> - Jason
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM, David A Aitcheson <
> david.aitcheson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay I was able to get it stopped as it was downloading the third
>> package and before it did any damage to my developement libraries for my
>> college courses.
>>
>> It wanted to wipe out 66 packages that are used on a weekly basis for my
>> college code and hardware developement courses in Alternative Energy.
>>
>> A lot of them are really weird "how to relate to the windows world"
>> translators.
>>
>> What really irked me was that it takes off and goes with no "are you
>> sure" question after it figures out what it needs to do; so if someone
>> hits go and walks away it could be a "mess maker" is all that can render
>> it down to.
>>
>> It might be best to use on a machine that is only used for XASTIR and
>> nothing else.
>>
>> I am a college senior on a five year plan; starting the final year this
>> month. At 52 I don't have another 4 years to rebuild everything.
>>
>> Dave - KB3EFS
>>
>>
>> On 01/03/2011 08:52 PM, Jason Godfrey wrote:
>> > The script doesn't look like it deletes any packages, only updates.
>> > Perhaps some dependancies for your broken programs were updated, and
>> > updating those programs will fix it. I would have thought the package
>> > manager would of handled that.
>> >
>> > Really, four years?
>> > - Jason
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM, David A Aitcheson
>> > <david.aitcheson at gmail.com <mailto:david.aitcheson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ONE HUGE PROBLEM...
>> >
>> > This script removes WITHOUT WARNING a bunch of things that BROKE a
>> HUGE
>> > bunch or other programs for me.
>> >
>> > Thanks for setting me back four (4) years.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 01/03/2011 02:51 PM, Peter Gamache/KC0TFB wrote:
>> > > Good catch! I've fixed that.
>> > >
>> > > Prior to yesterday's release, I tried the script on two different
>> > systems:
>> > > one virgin install of 10.10 and another that was upgraded from
>> > 10.04 to
>> > > 10.10 (without having run the script prior to the upgrade). It
>> seemed
>> > > fine on both systems anyway, but it seems more common-sensical to
>> > do it
>> > > with the proper release name, as lucid and maverick may diverge on
>> > the GIS
>> > > repo in the future.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > -PG / KC0TFB
>> > >
>> > > Tom Russo wrote:
>> > >> One quick comment: Your script adds the PPA for UbuntuGIS, which
>> > is a
>> > >> good
>> > >> thing, but always seems to add the "lucid" version to the apt
>> sources
>> > >> list,
>> > >> even if it's detected Maverick.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Xastir mailing list
>> > > Xastir at lists.xastir.org <mailto:Xastir at lists.xastir.org>
>> > > http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > David A Aitcheson
>> > david.aitcheson at gmail.com <mailto:david.aitcheson at gmail.com>
>> > david.aitcheson on google and skype
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Xastir mailing list
>> > Xastir at lists.xastir.org <mailto:Xastir at lists.xastir.org>
>> > http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution.
>> > -- Wernher von Braun
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David A Aitcheson
>> david.aitcheson at gmail.com
>> david.aitcheson on google and skype
>>
>
>
>
> --
> I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution. --
> Wernher von Braun
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:04:46 -0600 (CST)
> From: "Peter Gamache/KC0TFB" <peter+aprs at duonet.net<peter%2Baprs at duonet.net>
>
> To: "Xastir - APRS client software discussion"
> <xastir at lists.xastir.org>
> Cc: david.aitcheson at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Xastir] Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10
> Message-ID: <231e476f08a4c51aaf5101a59887e2d7.squirrel at duonet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> It looks like considerable excitement has occurred in the evening I spent
> away from my email...
>
> David, would you care to share your logs so I may understand what
> happened? The logs of interest are in /var/log/apt. I'd like to see both
> history.log and term.log for the period in which you ran the cvsbuild
> script.
>
> The script simply doesn't contain any instructions for apt to
> remove/purge/delete anything, so if something got deleted, it may have
> been a pending change to your system that was already queued for dpkg to
> act upon - something that it would do when any subsequent action was
> performed with apt-get (like an ordinary update/upgrade cycle). Did you
> have any previous installations, removals or upgrades that had only
> partially completed, prior to running the script? Did you regularly keep
> your system updated with "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade", prior
> to running the script?
>
> Also, these development libraries you speak of ... were they installed in
> /usr/lib, /var/lib, or somewhere else? It's possible, if you named
> something the same as one of the libraries to be installed, or if you
> installed the source of a standard package, then modified it and installed
> it where the default library lives, that it would be overwritten by any
> future updates. The dpkg/apt system provides a way to freeze packages,
> preventing the normal update/upgrade cycle from pulling down new ones - if
> you modify a standard library, it's important to flag the package(s) so
> they don't get overwritten by subsequent officially-maintained versions.
>
> Thanks,
> -PG
>
> Jason Godfrey wrote:
>> The following is speculation based on my experience with other package
>> managers. I have only used Ubuntu a little bit. I also don't know about
>> any
>> customizations to your system. Take the following suggestion at your own
>> risk.
>>
>> My guess is that interrupting the update process is what caused the
>> problem.
>> Your software is probably in a weird partially updated state. Running the
>> script again or "sudo aptitude update" might restore your system to a
>> working state.
>>
>> - Jason
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM, David A Aitcheson <
>> david.aitcheson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay I was able to get it stopped as it was downloading the third
>>> package and before it did any damage to my developement libraries for my
>>> college courses.
>>>
>>> It wanted to wipe out 66 packages that are used on a weekly basis for my
>>> college code and hardware developement courses in Alternative Energy.
>>>
>>> A lot of them are really weird "how to relate to the windows world"
>>> translators.
>>>
>>> What really irked me was that it takes off and goes with no "are you
>>> sure" question after it figures out what it needs to do; so if someone
>>> hits go and walks away it could be a "mess maker" is all that can render
>>> it down to.
>>>
>>> It might be best to use on a machine that is only used for XASTIR and
>>> nothing else.
>>>
>>> I am a college senior on a five year plan; starting the final year this
>>> month. At 52 I don't have another 4 years to rebuild everything.
>>>
>>> Dave - KB3EFS
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/03/2011 08:52 PM, Jason Godfrey wrote:
>>> > The script doesn't look like it deletes any packages, only updates.
>>> > Perhaps some dependancies for your broken programs were updated, and
>>> > updating those programs will fix it. I would have thought the package
>>> > manager would of handled that.
>>> >
>>> > Really, four years?
>>> > - Jason
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM, David A Aitcheson
>>> > <david.aitcheson at gmail.com <mailto:david.aitcheson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ONE HUGE PROBLEM...
>>> >
>>> > This script removes WITHOUT WARNING a bunch of things that BROKE a
>>> HUGE
>>> > bunch or other programs for me.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for setting me back four (4) years.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 01/03/2011 02:51 PM, Peter Gamache/KC0TFB wrote:
>>> > > Good catch! I've fixed that.
>>> > >
>>> > > Prior to yesterday's release, I tried the script on two
>>> different
>>> > systems:
>>> > > one virgin install of 10.10 and another that was upgraded from
>>> > 10.04 to
>>> > > 10.10 (without having run the script prior to the upgrade). It
>>> seemed
>>> > > fine on both systems anyway, but it seems more common-sensical
>>> to
>>> > do it
>>> > > with the proper release name, as lucid and maverick may diverge
>>> on
>>> > the GIS
>>> > > repo in the future.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks,
>>> > > -PG / KC0TFB
>>> > >
>>> > > Tom Russo wrote:
>>> > >> One quick comment: Your script adds the PPA for UbuntuGIS,
>>> which
>>> > is a
>>> > >> good
>>> > >> thing, but always seems to add the "lucid" version to the apt
>>> sources
>>> > >> list,
>>> > >> even if it's detected Maverick.
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Xastir mailing list
>>> > > Xastir at lists.xastir.org <mailto:Xastir at lists.xastir.org>
>>> > > http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > David A Aitcheson
>>> > david.aitcheson at gmail.com <mailto:david.aitcheson at gmail.com>
>>> > david.aitcheson on google and skype
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Xastir mailing list
>>> > Xastir at lists.xastir.org <mailto:Xastir at lists.xastir.org>
>>> > http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution.
>>> > -- Wernher von Braun
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David A Aitcheson
>>> david.aitcheson at gmail.com
>>> david.aitcheson on google and skype
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution. --
>> Wernher von Braun
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xastir mailing list
>> Xastir at lists.xastir.org
>> http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:17:52 -0500
> From: David A Aitcheson <david.aitcheson at gmail.com>
> To: Rick Green <rtg at aapsc.com>
> Cc: Xastir - APRS client software discussion <xastir at lists.xastir.org>
> Subject: Re: [Xastir] Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10
> Message-ID: <4D233A20.6010802 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> no - a 10.04-LTS rolled up from a 8.04-LTS rolled up from a 6.??-LTS
>
> Script works fine on a fresh install
>
>
>
> On 01/04/2011 02:19 AM, Rick Green wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, David A Aitcheson wrote:
>>
>>> I am a college senior on a five year plan; starting the final year this
>>> month. At 52 I don't have another 4 years to rebuild everything.
>>>
>> ...and this is an Ubuntu 10.10 system, right? While this system may
>> represent the current state of four years of college work, it was built
>> in the past two-and-a-half months, right? And you have the sources and
>> backups to build a clone of it in less time than that, right?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David A Aitcheson
> david.aitcheson at gmail.com
> david.aitcheson on google and skype
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:12:51 -0500
> From: David A Aitcheson <david.aitcheson at gmail.com>
> To: Peter Gamache/KC0TFB <peter+aprs at duonet.net <peter%2Baprs at duonet.net>>
> Cc: Xastir - APRS client software discussion <xastir at lists.xastir.org>
> Subject: Re: [Xastir] Ubuntu-cvsbuild script updated for 10.10
> Message-ID: <4D234703.50407 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Peter,
>
> As I said earlier, I got it stopped before it did any damage.
>
> I looked at the logs you mentioned but could find no mention of the
> script at all, possibly/probably because I [ctrl]C'd out of it so fast.
> Which does not make any sense, so I am wondering what else is not
> getting logged.
>
> I have gone through all my development systems and they all seem to be
> intact and functioning, and yes I have frozen items so they do not get
> deleted or overwritten, some of those were in the to be deleted list.
>
> I deal with a bunch of over educated in some other field professors that
> think because they have a PhD that they are the be all end all when it
> comes to being a windows appliance user via a GUI on a touch screen
> controller. I don't mean to offend any on here with that but that is my
> lot that I have to live with.
>
> I am trying to get a hardware update soon and that may clear a lot of
> these problems. This machine is circa 2006 and still running for now.
> Getting everyone to talk on either USB or Ethernet and abandoning RS-232
> has finally been accomplished for the equipment under development; the
> stuff already out in the field is another problem of its own.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 01/04/2011 10:04 AM, Peter Gamache/KC0TFB wrote:
>> It looks like considerable excitement has occurred in the evening I spent
>> away from my email...
>>
>> David, would you care to share your logs so I may understand what
>> happened? The logs of interest are in /var/log/apt. I'd like to see both
>> history.log and term.log for the period in which you ran the cvsbuild
>> script.
>>
>> The script simply doesn't contain any instructions for apt to
>> remove/purge/delete anything, so if something got deleted, it may have
>> been a pending change to your system that was already queued for dpkg to
>> act upon - something that it would do when any subsequent action was
>> performed with apt-get (like an ordinary update/upgrade cycle). Did you
>> have any previous installations, removals or upgrades that had only
>> partially completed, prior to running the script? Did you regularly keep
>> your system updated with "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade", prior
>> to running the script?
>>
>> Also, these development libraries you speak of ... were they installed in
>> /usr/lib, /var/lib, or somewhere else? It's possible, if you named
>> something the same as one of the libraries to be installed, or if you
>> installed the source of a standard package, then modified it and
installed
>> it where the default library lives, that it would be overwritten by any
>> future updates. The dpkg/apt system provides a way to freeze packages,
>> preventing the normal update/upgrade cycle from pulling down new ones -
if
>> you modify a standard library, it's important to flag the package(s) so
>> they don't get overwritten by subsequent officially-maintained versions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -PG
>>
>> Jason Godfrey wrote:
>>> The following is speculation based on my experience with other package
>>> managers. I have only used Ubuntu a little bit. I also don't know about
>>> any
>>> customizations to your system. Take the following suggestion at your own
>>> risk.
>>>
>>> My guess is that interrupting the update process is what caused the
>>> problem.
>>> Your software is probably in a weird partially updated state. Running
the
>>> script again or "sudo aptitude update" might restore your system to a
>>> working state.
>>>
>>> - Jason
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM, David A Aitcheson <
>>> david.aitcheson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay I was able to get it stopped as it was downloading the third
>>>> package and before it did any damage to my developement libraries for
my
>>>> college courses.
>>>>
>>>> It wanted to wipe out 66 packages that are used on a weekly basis for
my
>>>> college code and hardware developement courses in Alternative Energy.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of them are really weird "how to relate to the windows world"
>>>> translators.
>>>>
>>>> What really irked me was that it takes off and goes with no "are you
>>>> sure" question after it figures out what it needs to do; so if someone
>>>> hits go and walks away it could be a "mess maker" is all that can
render
>>>> it down to.
>>>>
>>>> It might be best to use on a machine that is only used for XASTIR and
>>>> nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> I am a college senior on a five year plan; starting the final year this
>>>> month. At 52 I don't have another 4 years to rebuild everything.
>>>>
>>>> Dave - KB3EFS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/03/2011 08:52 PM, Jason Godfrey wrote:
>>>>> The script doesn't look like it deletes any packages, only updates.
>>>>> Perhaps some dependancies for your broken programs were updated, and
>>>>> updating those programs will fix it. I would have thought the package
>>>>> manager would of handled that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really, four years?
>>>>> - Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM, David A Aitcheson
>>>>> <david.aitcheson at gmail.com <mailto:david.aitcheson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ONE HUGE PROBLEM...
>>>>>
>>>>> This script removes WITHOUT WARNING a bunch of things that BROKE a
>>>> HUGE
>>>>> bunch or other programs for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for setting me back four (4) years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/03/2011 02:51 PM, Peter Gamache/KC0TFB wrote:
>>>>> > Good catch! I've fixed that.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Prior to yesterday's release, I tried the script on two
>>>> different
>>>>> systems:
>>>>> > one virgin install of 10.10 and another that was upgraded from
>>>>> 10.04 to
>>>>> > 10.10 (without having run the script prior to the upgrade). It
>>>> seemed
>>>>> > fine on both systems anyway, but it seems more common-sensical
>>>> to
>>>>> do it
>>>>> > with the proper release name, as lucid and maverick may diverge
>>>> on
>>>>> the GIS
>>>>> > repo in the future.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> > -PG / KC0TFB
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Tom Russo wrote:
>>>>> >> One quick comment: Your script adds the PPA for UbuntuGIS,
>>>> which
>>>>> is a
>>>>> >> good
>>>>> >> thing, but always seems to add the "lucid" version to the apt
>>>> sources
>>>>> >> list,
>>>>> >> even if it's detected Maverick.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Xastir mailing list
>>>>> > Xastir at lists.xastir.org <mailto:Xastir at lists.xastir.org>
>>>>> > http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David A Aitcheson
>>>>> david.aitcheson at gmail.com <mailto:david.aitcheson at gmail.com>
>>>>> david.aitcheson on google and skype
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Xastir mailing list
>>>>> Xastir at lists.xastir.org <mailto:Xastir at lists.xastir.org>
>>>>> http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution.
>>>>> -- Wernher von Braun
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David A Aitcheson
>>>> david.aitcheson at gmail.com
>>>> david.aitcheson on google and skype
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> I have learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution.
--
>>> Wernher von Braun
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Xastir mailing list
>>> Xastir at lists.xastir.org
>>> http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David A Aitcheson
> david.aitcheson at gmail.com
> david.aitcheson on google and skype
>
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