[Xastir] Xastir ---> D700 Messaging via Internet

Mon Nov 12 16:52:57 EST 2012

For any interested in the outcome:

Messaging success.  Issue must be with the IGates not forwarding 
messages to the other D700s.  Here's the trace of the messages from 
xastir to the D700:

2012-11-12 21:13:20 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: ?VER
2012-11-12 21:13:59 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: test message
2012-11-12 21:15:07 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: ok that went through
2012-11-12 21:15:20 UTC: KJ4ERJ-11>KB3EFS: copied
2012-11-12 21:15:43 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: must be some gateways are not 
set up correctly
2012-11-12 21:16:29 UTC: KJ4ERJ-11>KB3EFS: right
2012-11-12 21:17:23 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: so the problem is NOT an 
Xastir problem
2012-11-12 21:36:06 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: ?VER
2012-11-12 21:38:10 UTC: KJ4ERJ-11>KB3EFS: clear
2012-11-12 21:38:26 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-11: clear - out

And here's our conversation between xastir and APRSIS32 as KJ4ERJ-AL 
(where I could type faster):

2012-11-12 21:17:07 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: I can type faster here than 
on the D700.
2012-11-12 21:17:22 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Yes, I suspect your other 
D700 targets were not in good,+
2012-11-12 21:17:22 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: bi-directional, IGate coverage.
2012-11-12 21:17:40 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Correct, NOT a xastir 
problem! (Even though I didn't read that on+
2012-11-12 21:17:40 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: the D700, I know it's there).
2012-11-12 21:18:24 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: You probably know how it's 
supposed to work, but just in case,+
2012-11-12 21:18:25 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: there's a Wiki article I 
wrote about it a while back:
2012-11-12 21:18:25 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: http://tinyurl.com/bzz8wmx
2012-11-12 21:19:06 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: your messages from the -al 
sometimes come in out of order
2012-11-12 21:19:19 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Not sure why that would be...
2012-11-12 21:19:21 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: looking at URL now
2012-11-12 21:19:41 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: my connection is flakey
2012-11-12 21:19:48 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: They look right at 
http://aprs.fi/?c=message&call=KJ4ERJ-AL
2012-11-12 21:20:27 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: and 
http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KJ4ERJ-AL&limit=25&view=normal
2012-11-12 21:26:59 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: Reason I asked about this is 
because of the timing issues that
2012-11-12 21:27:02 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: I get
2012-11-12 21:27:23 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Timing issues?
2012-11-12 21:28:07 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: When I send a message it 
tries to go but I never get an ACK back
2012-11-12 21:28:28 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: from the station being messaged
2012-11-12 21:28:45 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Likely that the station never 
got the message because there's no+
2012-11-12 21:28:45 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: transmitting IGate that has 
heard it recently local.
2012-11-12 21:29:20 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: that may be then
2012-11-12 21:29:22 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Shorter messages to RF 
stations is also a good idea. It improves+
2012-11-12 21:29:22 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: the chances of reception, if 
an IGate really did transmit it.
2012-11-12 21:29:35 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: There's LOTS of receive-only 
IGates in production, unfortunately.
2012-11-12 21:30:06 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: so i am finding out
2012-11-12 21:30:09 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: I'm trying to figure out a 
way to remotely determine if an IGate+
2012-11-12 21:30:09 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: is transmit capable by 
monitoring the APRS-IS, but haven't figured+
2012-11-12 21:30:10 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: out a reliable way.
2012-11-12 21:30:31 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Only an RF station local to 
an IGate can tell for sure.
2012-11-12 21:31:21 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: Direct stations query doesn't 
give you the info?
2012-11-12 21:31:59 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Nope.
2012-11-12 21:32:17 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Do you mean querying the 
IGate or a remote RF station supposedly+
2012-11-12 21:32:18 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: through an IGate?
2012-11-12 21:32:48 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: the later
2012-11-12 21:32:56 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: And every IGate software 
supports different queries with different+
2012-11-12 21:32:57 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: levels of information, none 
of which truly tells the tail.
2012-11-12 21:33:29 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Direct query a remote station 
and not getting an answer doesn't+
2012-11-12 21:33:30 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: prove anything. And if you 
get an answer, then you'll get acks+
2012-11-12 21:33:30 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: also, so you might as well 
just try to message it with your actual+
2012-11-12 21:33:30 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: message.
2012-11-12 21:33:32 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: okay, so much for a 
standardized system
2012-11-12 21:33:59 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: It is standardized, but also 
user-configurable and some IGate+
2012-11-12 21:33:59 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: operators don't want the 
responsibiity of transmitting.
2012-11-12 21:35:12 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: so i now find out, oh well; 
thank you for education!
2012-11-12 21:35:37 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: You're welcome. Glad I could 
help out. I'll go turn the D700 off+
2012-11-12 21:35:38 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: now so my battery doesn't drain!
2012-11-12 21:35:52 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Unless you want to send it a 
few more messages? I can leave it on+
2012-11-12 21:35:52 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: for a while yet.
2012-11-12 21:36:02 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Eventually it'll start 
nak'ing the messages when the buffer gets+
2012-11-12 21:36:02 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: full.
2012-11-12 21:37:07 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: save the battery - I'll email 
if really important
2012-11-12 21:37:20 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: Ok. Have a good evening. 73
2012-11-12 21:37:23 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: Thanks Lynn
2012-11-12 21:37:30 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: 73
2012-11-12 21:39:38 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: You might not get an ack on 
your "clear - out" because I turned+
2012-11-12 21:39:38 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: the radio off immediately 
after my "clear" got ack'd.
2012-11-12 21:40:11 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: That should look the same as 
if there was no transmitting IGate to+
2012-11-12 21:40:12 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: your end. You can't tell the 
difference between nothing putting+
2012-11-12 21:40:12 UTC: KJ4ERJ-AL>KB3EFS: it to RF vs nothing on RF to 
receive and ack.
2012-11-12 21:40:25 UTC: KB3EFS>KJ4ERJ-AL: correct and I cancelled that 
clear - out

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
(which I'm told also runs under WINE)

On 11/12/2012 4:12 PM, David A Aitcheson wrote:
> Okay Lynn.
>
> You may need to force a beacon to make it so I can locate you.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On 11/12/2012 04:09 PM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:
>> Let me go turn it on and you should be able to send to KJ4ERJ-11
>> sitting in my garage in full communications with my KJ4ERJ-1 IGate.
>>
>> I'll be monitoring from my KJ4ERJ-AL instance which receives messages
>> from all of my -SSIDs but only acks ones directed to itself.
>>
>> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
>>
>> PS.  It is on and has successfully done a round-trip APRS message to
>> ISS, so it's working.
>>
>> On 11/12/2012 4:00 PM, David A Aitcheson wrote:
>>> I vaguely remember discussing this with Curt in the past but can not
>>> remember if this was ever addressed.
>>>
>>> The problem:
>>>
>>> When I send a message from Xastir via the internet (the only connection
>>> that I have) to a mobile or another base that is running a D700 I never
>>> get a message ACK.
>>>
>>> Every time I end up canceling the the message after about 5 to 10
>>> minutes and doing a SMS or Cell-TXT.
>>>
>>> Who has a D700 that I can send test messages to while the programming
>>> guru's watch what is happening and figure out a fix?
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Dave
>>> KB3EFS
>>>
>>>
>>
>>